By Jürgen Graf
Published: 2008-01-02
In January, I
was fortunate to be able to conduct the following interview with leading Swiss
revisionist researcher, author and scholar Jürgen Graf. Graf is the author of
countless articles and has authored the devastating analysis of Raul Hilberg“s
work, The Giant with Feet of Clay. He has also co-authored with Carlo
Mattogno several of the most important analyses of various concentration camps
including: Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?, Concentration
Camp Majdanek: A Historical and Technical Study, and Concentration Camp
Stutthof and its Function in National Socialist Jewish Policy. Jürgen Graf
was born in Switzerland in 1951. He studied Scandinavian, English and Roman
languages at the University of Basel where he was awarded the degree of Magister.
For four years he taught German at the Chinese Culture University in Taipai,
Taiwan. He has researched and authored various revisionist works since 1991. In
1998, he was, on account of his revisionist books and related writings on the
Holocaust, sentenced to 15 months imprisonment without probation at Baden,
Switzerland, on the ridiculous charge of “racial discrimination.” Since 2002,
Graf has been in exile. Most recently, Graf has been living in Russia with his
wife Olga, a historian from Minsk.
Q: What have you been working
on recently?
Graf: Unfortunately the
circumstances do not allow me to carry out any research. Since 2002, I have
only published about ten articles, most of which appeared in Vierteljahreshefte
für freie Geschichtsforschung. As you know, there will be no more
issues of this fine journal, but I can always write in Sans Concessions,
a journal edited by French revisionist Vincent Reynouard, who recently
published my attack on Guillaume Faye (“The new Jewish
question” or the end of Guillaume Faye) and will also publish my article
about the number of victims of the Majdanek Concentration Camp, which is at
present being translated into English.
However, I have found the time
to write a very large book for the Russian market. It was translated into
Russian by historian Anatoli Ivanov and will probably come out in April this
year. The title is The New World Order and the Holocaust. Like Germar
Rudolf“s Lectures on the Holocaust, the book has the form of a dialogue.
A German lecturer, whom I christened Dr. Friedrich Bruckner, is holding a
seminar at a Russian institute for the benefit of students who are specializing
in German history. About 5% of the contents are taken from Lectures on the
Holocaust; it goes without saying that I duly acknowledge this.
Q: Tell us something about
your book Holocaust Revisionism. The arguments.
Graf: I wrote this booklet in 1996.
If I had to write it today, I would of course add a huge amount of new
information, as revisionist research has greatly progressed since 1996.
Nevertheless I think that the booklet still is a pretty good introduction to
revisionism. – Somebody told me the translation contains one or two glaring
errors. I have never seen the printed version.
Q: What is the case the Swiss
government has against you?
Graf: In 1998, I went on trial in
Baden, Switzerland, for my first four revisionist books plus the brochure About
the decline of Swiss freedom. Together with my editor Gerhard Förster, who
was so sick at the time of the trial that he had to be brought into the
courtroom in a wheelchair, I had been accused of “racial discrimination” on the
basis of the “Anti-Racism law” which forbids unspecified crimes such as
“denying or minimizing genocide or other crimes against humanity”. This law had
been introduced at the behest of Switzerland“s Jewish community. I was
sentenced to 15 months in prison without probation and a fine of about 40.000
Swiss francs; Förster got 12 months without probation plus an fine, but he died
in September, nine weeks after the trial. Of course, the judge did not make the
slightest effort to discuss the arguments exposed in my books. After the
Supreme Court had confirmed the verdict, I went into exile on August 15, 2000,
my 49th birthday. Should I return now, I would most probably face a
new accusation because of the books and articles which I wrote abroad and which
are on the Internet, and the fine, which I am of course unable to pay, would be
transformed into an additional prison term. Altogether I would presumably go to
prison for two to three years. Neither my wife Olga nor myself are willing to
accept such a long separation voluntarily.
On my website http://juergen-graf.vho.org
you can find a long article in the English language which I wrote in Teheran in
late 2000 and which contains additional information about my trial. The title
of the article is Holocaust Revisionism and its Political
Consequences.
Q: Is there any chance that
the anti-revisionist laws will be abolished in at least some of the European
countries which have adopted them?
Graf: The decision of Spain“s
Supreme Court came as a great and pleasant surprise to me, but I am afraid it
is an isolated case. In Spain, the Jews are by no means as powerful as in
Germany, Austria, France, or Switzerland. Unlike the three first countries,
Switzerland has the institution of the “popular initiative”, which means that
any party, organization or group can enforce a plebiscite about introducing a
new law or abolishing an existing one if it gathers 50.000 signatures within
one year. In August 2007, the “Swiss Democrats”, a small right-wing party,
launched such an initiative to seek the abolition of the “Anti-Racism Law”, but
on their own, they will not possibly be able to gather 100,000 signatures. On
the other hand, collecting them will be very easy if Christoph Blocher, the
most popular politician of the country, who was recently kicked out of the
government, supports the initiative. Although he has criticized the
“Anti-Racism Law” and demanded its abolition, I doubt that he will muster the
necessary courage to back the initiative. Such a step would constitute a
declaration of war against the Jews, and Blocher is the owner of a large
company, which the Jews will spare no effort to ruin if the acts against them.
– According to an opinion poll in the Zurich weekly Die Weltwoche, a
slight majority of the population favors abolishing the law. But in case of a
vote, the possibility of fraud is very real.
Q: What do you consider the
most important revisionist discoveries of the last years?
Graf: The archeological excavations
on the site of the alleged “extermination camp” Belzec (Eastern Poland) and
three documents which Mattogno and I found in Russian archives and which prove
with absolute certainty that the morgues of the Birkenau crematoria could not
possibly have been used as homicidal gas chambers, as the orthodox historians
claim.
Ironically, the first of these
two discoveries was made possible thanks to the abysmal stupidity of the
exterminationists. In 2000, the Holocaust Memorial Museum and a similar Polish
organization published a book about the excavations at Belzec (Andrzej Kola, Belzec.
The Nazi camp for Jews in the Light of Archeological Sources. Excavations
1997-1999, Warsaw/Washington 2000). Kola pretended to have found
material evidence corroborating that Belzec had indeed been an extermination
camp. But as Carlo Mattogno brilliantly demonstrates in his book Belzec in
Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research and History (Theses &
Dissertation Press, Chicago 2004), the results of the excavations conclusively
show that only some thousand people perished at Belzec, while the orthodox
historians claim 600.000 victims. The presence of human remains on the site of
the camp can easily explained by two factors: In 1941, Belzec had been a very
inhumanely ruled labor camp before becoming a transit camp in March 1942, and
between March and December 1942, 434.000 Jews were deported to this camp before
being transferred either into the occupied Eastern Territories or to labor
camps in the Lublin district. (The figure of 434.000 results from a German
document, the “Höfle telegram”, which is doubtless authentic but constitutes no
evidence of mass murder, as David Irving mendaciously claims.) Unavoidably, a
certain number of these 434.000 Jews must have died at Belzec. – Moreover the
excavations showed that the two “gas chambers” described by witnesses never
existed. By ordering these excavations and foolishly publishing their results,
the Holocaust Memorial Museum and its Polish friends have furnished irrefutable
evidence that Belzec was not an extermination camp.
The three documents about the
Birkenau crematoria were published and commented in Carlo Mattogno“s article
„Die Leichenkeller der Krematorien von Birkenau im Lichte der Dokumente“ (Vierteljahreshefte
für freie Geschichtsforschung 3/2003). Their background is a very gloomy
one: Birkenau was infested by rats which feasted on the corpses of deceased
prisoners (in 1943, the daily mortality at Auschwitz and Birkenau was about 80,
the main cause being spotted fever and other diseases). On 20 July 1943, a
German physician, SS-Hauptsturmführer Dr. Wirths, wrote a letter to the chief
of the Zentralbauleitung (Central Construction Office) of Auschwitz, Karl
Bischoff, urging him to set up “Leichenkammern (“corpse chambers”, i. e.
provisional morgues) in the camp in order to reduce the number of rats; being
the carriers of bubonic plague, these beasts could provoke an outbreak of this
dread disease which would have had “unimaginable consequences” (Wirths). On 4
August, Bischoff replied that such “corpse chambers” were not necessary, as the
dead bodies would from now on be taken to the crematoria twice a day. This
means that the morgues of the crematoria, which allegedly served as gas
chambers, could be used at any time for storing corpses prior to cremation and
could not possibly be used as gas chambers. – In May 1944, the problem seems to
have appeared again, for on the 22th the new chief of the Central Construction
Office, Jothann, answering a new letter on the subject, stated that he would
order the corpses to be taken to the crematoria every morning. According to the
orthodox historians, up to 400.000 Hungarian Jews were gassed at Birkenau
between mid-May and early July 1944. If this were true, the morgues would have
been used as gas chambers all the time, so how could any corpses have been
stored there!
It would really be interesting
what Robert Jan van Pelt, Deborah Lipstadt or Michael Berenbaum would answer if
confronted with these documents. We can easily understand why these people are
mortally afraid of an open debate.
Q: Which revisionist
researchers do you consider the most important ones?
Graf: In alphabetical order: Arthur
Butz, Robert Faurisson, Carlo Mattogno, Germar Rudolf and Wilhelm Stäglich. Due
credit must also be given to the pioneer, the great Frenchman Paul Rassinier,
even if his books contain many errors (which is normal for any pioneer).
Q: Are new revisionist books
still necessary, or is it sufficient to spread the existing ones?
Graf: Spreading the existing
books – especially Dissecting the Holocaust and Lectures on
the Holocaust – is very important indeed, but the task of revisionist
researchers is far from finished. Already in 2002, Germar Rudolf, Carlo
Mattogno and myself planned to write a huge documentation about Auschwitz, Auschwitz:
The Real History. But Germar is now in jail; Carlo (who would write the
bulk of the work) and I have the material, but we lack the necessary resources
and have no editor. Otherwise the book could be ready in about 15 to 18 months;
if we had a qualified translator (who would of course have to be paid
adequately), he or she could translate every chapter as soon as it would be
available in German, and the two versions could come out together.
Q: Do you see any chances for
a revisionist breakthrough?
Graf: I only see two possible
scenarios:
1) A huge economic crises
which will lead to the collapse of the Jewish-dominated “democratic” system of
the West. If authentic Nationalists come to power in either the USA or some
major European countries, the hoax will of course be doomed.
2) A confrontation between the
Jewish puppet regime in Washington and Russia which will induce Moscow to deal
Washington a deadly blow by publishing documents proving that the
“extermination camps” belong to the realm of propaganda. There can be no doubt
whatsoever that the Russians have such documents.
Q: In the meantime, what can
we American revisionists do?
Graf: Continue spreading the truth
to those who want to hear it!
This article originally appeared in Smith“s
Report No. 147, February 2008
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